What Change means.

[plantsman]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: raider13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It gives a little more credibility, rather than just going by what he says he knows is a fact. </div></div>

I guess my point can be summed up as follows: An individual can watch a debate, an address to the nation, etc., and immediately the media will say at the very conclusion, that we are here, wewill interpret the debate tonight, we will explain it to you, we will tell you what they said, and then tell you what they really meant. No, I don't need their freakin interpretation. I'm a fairly intelligent guy - I can listen and subsequently form an opinion based on what they said. I don't need some emply suit telling me what was said. I resent that, and all the TV networks do it. They invite their so-called experts in, thy spin and whine, and expect toe average American citizen to swallow their line. That royally pisses me off. Politicians - from BSG, Wise Co. supervisors and right on up want to spin things - they all think the general populace is stupid. And in large part, the citizenry is stupid. However, I'm not stupid, I have the ability to listen and form my own opinions.

[pvfan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Politicians - from BSG, Wise Co. supervisors and right on up want to spin things - they all think the general populace is stupid. And in large part, the citizenry is stupid. However, I'm not stupid, I have the ability to listen and form my own opinions. </div></div>

Few people actually take the time to look at the issues and try to understand them. People sit and complain all the time about low voter turnout, do you really want people voting who do not understand Obama's health plan or McCain's war plan? Just doesn't make a ton of sense to me. Your in America, your giving the right to vote, study, think, and use it.

[BlueWahooChambordDevil]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: raider13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Okay these are Obama's stance on some of the major issues of America. Instead of pulling some dirt up about the guys haircare products, this just shows something Obama stands for. Mainly for the people who think that they know everything about the guy, but really doesnt know jack [censored] other than what they've been fed by the Mccain campaign. So if anyone wants to post Mccains stance on things, then I encourage it. Rather than looking ignorant bashing Obama with half-truths and whole-lies.


DENVER, Colorado (CNN) -- Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama called his acceptance speech on Thursday "the American Promise." It included a list of promises for change that he said, "We need right now."
Sen. Barack Obama addresses the Democratic National Convention in Denver, Colorado.


Here is a look at what Obama said he would do, if elected, about a variety of topics:

Taxes

Obama said he would:

"? Cut taxes "for 95 percent of all working families."

"? "Eliminate capital gains taxes for the small businesses" and start-ups "that will create the high-wage, high-tech jobs of tomorrow."

"? Advocate "a tax code that doesn't reward the lobbyists who wrote it, but the American workers and small businesses who deserve it."

"? "Stop giving tax breaks to corporations that ship jobs overseas" and "start giving them to companies that create good jobs right here in America."

Energy

Obama said he would:

"? Set a goal that "in 10 years, we will finally end our dependence on oil from the Middle East."

"? "Tap natural gas reserves, invest in clean coal technology and find ways to safely harness nuclear power."


"? "Help our auto companies retool, so that the fuel-efficient cars of the future are built right here in America." Video Watch Obama's acceptance speech »

"? Make it easier for Americans to afford U.S.-built, fuel-efficient cars.

"? Have the federal government "invest $150 billion over the next decade in affordable, renewable sources of energy -- wind power and solar power and the next generation of biofuels." Doing so, he said, would "lead to new industries and 5 million new jobs that pay well and can't ever be outsourced."

Education

Obama said he would:

"? "Finally meet our moral obligation to provide every child a world-class education."

"? Find more money for early childhood education and recruit teachers with better pay while also pushing "higher standards and more accountability."

"? Make sure young Americans can afford college if they serve their community or country. Photo See the highlights of the Democratic convention's last day »

Health care

Obama said he would:

"? "Finally keep the promise of affordable, accessible health care for every single American."

"? Lower premiums for those who have health care and let those without coverage "get the same kind of coverage that members of Congress give themselves."

"? Make sure insurance companies "stop discriminating against those who are sick and need care the most."

Labor law

Obama said he would:

"? Provide paid sick days and "better family leave" for workers.

"? Close the pay gap between the sexes.

Bankruptcy law

Obama said he would:

"? Change bankruptcy law "so that your pensions are protected ahead of CEO bonuses."

Federal spending

Obama said he would:

"? Pay for "every dime" of his plans' costs "by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens that don't help America grow."

"? Cut federal programs that don't work and improve those that do while reducing their costs.

National defense

Obama said he would:

"? "End this war in Iraq responsibly and finish the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan."

"? "Only send our troops into harm's way with a clear mission and a sacred commitment to give them the equipment they need in battle and the care and benefits they deserve when they come home."

"? "Rebuild our military to meet future conflicts."

Foreign relations

Obama said he would:

"? "Restore our moral standing" in the world.

"? Provide "tough, direct diplomacy that can prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons and curb Russian aggression."

"? "Build new partnerships to defeat the threats of the 21st century: terrorism and nuclear proliferation, poverty and genocide, climate change and disease."

Abortion

Obama said he would:

"? Work with people on all sides of the issue to reduce unwanted pregnancies.

Gun control

Obama said he would:

"? Uphold the Second Amendment but also keep "AK-47s out of the hands of criminals."

Gay rights

Obama said he would:

"? Help ensure that gays and lesbians have the right "to visit the person they love in the hospital and to live lives free of discrimination."

Illegal immigration

Obama said he would:

"? Pursue policies that don't result in separated families.

"? Discourage companies from undercutting American wages by hiring illegal workers.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/...ses/index.html </div></div>
what he said he would do and whats actually possible are very different

[R13]

Everything he said he would do, is possible. Will he do them? Only time will tell, but we cant take 4 more years of the past 8.

[NotSoSilentBob]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: raider13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
but we cant take 4 more years of the past 8. </div></div>

Bush isn't running.

[R13]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NotSoSilentBob</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: raider13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
but we cant take 4 more years of the past 8. </div></div>

Bush isn't running. </div></div>

Thats your problem, you dont see that he pretty much is with Mccain.

[BlueWahooChambordDevil]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: raider13</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NotSoSilentBob</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: raider13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
but we cant take 4 more years of the past 8. </div></div>

Bush isn't running. </div></div>

Thats your problem, you dont see that he pretty much is with Mccain.</div></div>
says the one supporting a socialst

even if you believe mc cain is bushism.......thats still better than voting for a communist

[R13]

Nothing says he's a communist but some conspiracy theory nuts, Mccain will bring this nation down ever further than it is now

[BlueWahooChambordDevil]

his idea of making the govt bigger is what tells you he leans communist

[NotSoSilentBob]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: raider13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nothing says he's a communist but some conspiracy theory nuts, Mccain will bring this nation down ever further than it is now </div></div>

You know people by the company they keep.

Bill Ayers

Tony Rezko

Richard J. Daley

Keep your head buried in the sand and keep drinking the Messiah's kook-aid.